Hey, all. I’m wondering if anybody with the mobile version of the Zeo is willing to share any spreadsheets or other means of analyzing the data that mobile users can send themselves via the “Diagnostics” method. I successfully sent myself the data (both sqlite & plist files) but do not have the Excel savvy yet to parse the data into something meaningful. Not looking for anything super-polished, anything that helps me to see more than the daily feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Hello, I am new to this site.
I tried to read the full thread here, because I would love to get my zero mobile working again.
Is there a way to get it working with Iphone?.. will the old app still work and how do I get it?
Alternative is Android a path forward?
(I really tried to read and understand all posts here, but this is a lot information around, sorry if I overlooked the answer I am looking for.)
When I started using ZeoDecoderViewer0.212Release I noticed that the data for each night contains a heading headband_impedance. Less impedance is a better connection. This seems to be a direct measurement of the connection during use so it is possible that an impedance below some magic number is required for good operation. The first night’s data file shows impedances (ignoring zeros and the first and last readings) from 129 to 134. The date is August 21, 2013. My last checkup due to a Zeo announcement to replace the headset was August 16, 2014. The impedances observed on that date were from 128 to 133. Following my lotion procedure seems to be working. (full description later) What is not working is that the headband stretches slowly over the months and must be tightened occasionally. Eventually I will run out of adjustment in maybe another year.
Every night before going to bed I coat my forehead with Avalon Organics Hand & Body Lotion Lavender scented. Sold by my local food co-op with bar code 54749-35200. The lotion’s first 2 ingredients are water and Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice. The lotion seems to be kind to the sensor pads. In the morning after taking off the headband I dab the sensors against a sheet or pillowcase to remove any remaining lotion. I started using the lotion because a dry forehead does not always work. The Aloe seems to provide a conductive path. The lotion is also kind to your skin. Maybe this scheme might work for you or other people.
If you search through this thread you’ll find some quantitative information on this. HTH
A comment about using solvents for cleaning fabrics in general: I use organic solvents (e.g., alcohol) for removing grease stains from clothes (accidental spots at home, not professionally). If you rub with a solvent there is a tendency simply to spread the spot, making it less dark, but bigger. To get around this, you put a clean absorbent pad (rag, kitchen towel) on top of the spot, then rub it from the back with plenty of solvent. To a great extent the dissolved grease is washed onto the rag, and much less is left on the garment. In the case of Zeo, you’d have a thinner grease layer, which would improve conductivity, but grease would still be building up.
I don’t know if, and how, this generalises to the Zeo headband; you certainly can’t expect solvent applied from the back to have this effect, it won’t go through. But maybe applying plenty of solvent and, critically, using a kitchen towel to remove it, would be better at permanently getting rid of grease. Possibly even immersing in solvent? I might try this on my set-aside headband, though I’ve moved to using a set of disposable electrodes every couple of weeks. Of course, there’s always the concern that some of these things would affect the conductivity of the silver-impregnated fabric.
This is all about grease because that’s what water doesn’t touch, and organic solvents do. I don’t know what problems there are with things that don’t dissolve in either.
Nurses who apply ECG electrodes are recommended to wash the area and roughen it slightly by rubbing with a cloth (from memory, I don’t remember where I read this). I don’t know if they actually do this routinely; fresh disposable electrodes work pretty well on reasonably clean skin without any preparation. But washing and lightly abrading might also help with headband conductivity and lifespan. It would also minimise build-up of gunk.
If anybody on this thread would like to volunteer to write a summary post about how to continue using Zeo even though the company is out of business, with a general overview and index w/links into the specific posts where more detailed info on specific topics can be found, we’ll stick it up top and link to it from the web page. There is a lot of great info here but admittedly hard to dig through.
As far as I can see, the main topics regarding the use of Zeo as intended (additional uses, interfacing the clock to a computer, etc. are important, but not what we’re talking of here) are:
- Consumables: DIY headbands, disposable electrodes, extending the life of Zeo headbands.
- Firmware update, mainly to remove encryption of stored data.
- Software: to process and display data, for clock and for mobile phone.
- Transmitter battery replacement, when information becomes available.
- Miscellaneous information on care and maintenance, if there is any.
- Any new developments of Zeo-like apparatus, or relaunch by new owners, if and when applicable.
Maybe there should be a few planned sticky posts to cover these topics separately in an organised way, rather than just one?
I can contribute regarding the use of disposable electrodes; as far as I know I am the only person in the world who has reported using them for more than two nights (I’m waiting to be challenged and hoping to get others involved, not relishing this position). I got 20 nights of effective use out of 1 set of 3 electrodes when experimenting with maximum duration, though I normally get more like 10-14 with no special care. I’ve posted at length on disposables: #161 is my main and most detailed posting, with a bit more in #284 and #322. Maybe my post #161 could be used as a starting point for the use of disposable electrodes? They are expensive if used at the rate of 3 per night, but probably cheaper than Zeo headbands were if eked out (I think I can manage on £10/year for outdated electrodes, plus a little tape and gel).
HTH
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That’s a great outline. Let’s see who else volunteers and we can self-organize here.
I’ll put a couple of trivial comments on maintenance here to kick off:
- If the battery stops charging or the transmitter doesn’t work properly when on the clock or charger, clean the contacts carefully. Particularly if you use disposable electrodes with sticky tape, or put lotion on your forehead.
- If the clock display goes blank, you might have set the brightness to zero (particularly if you set different day and night brightness); press the up arrow 8 times. Will probably self-correct by unplugging, but time etc. then needs resetting.
Obviously I can add a note about my software, with download links etc, although that already has its own links
I have two Zeo mobile units and recently purchased a clock only to find that the mobile headband doesn’t appear to work with the clock. I was hoping to use the clock with my mobile headbands to get at the data. I love my Zeo and after trying an exercise bracelet believe that the Zeo is the only accurate sleep monitoring system out there in the consumer market. I am considering doing a home sleep study with professional equipment while wearing my pulse oximeter, Withings Pulse 02 activity bracelet for motion. I also set up an IR security camera to video tape myself during the night. I have sleep apnea and sleep only 4 to 6 hours generally. I have a medical research background and enjoy doing “research” on myself.
I considered doing a cut and paste of all the posts but this seems like a lot of work. Would it be possible to get a Word document or an Excel spreadsheet of the Zeo thread? If so, I would be willing to organize a summary with individual posts referenced as well as any external links.
If I could get the thread in an Excel form, I could sort by user to get individual posts together, eliminate the question posts and hopefully, be left with only the informational posts which could then be reduced in size.
Let me know if this is possible.
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… recently purchased a clock only to find that the mobile headband doesn’t appear to work with the clock.[/quote] Not “doesn’t appear to” but “is known not to”; exactly the sort of information needed in an introduction
I don’t yet know anything about it, but free applications software https://import.io/ claims to do just that.
Other tools that I have used to create a reasonable document from a Web site have to cope with the fact that there is too much stuff that is “rubbish” in a document, though needed in the site. For example, you can have both totally irrelevant stuff (banners etc. etc.) and essential information provided as a graphic; it would be exceedingly difficult to distinguish these automatically. I have made experiments using htttrack, an open-source, multi-platform, 32- and 64-bit program that allows you to download an entire Web site, and working from there. I didn’t find it particularly useful; it just lets you do exactly what you can do on the site, but working locally. If you use it, be sure to get your parameters right; it is possible to set them so as to download the entire Internet, in which case you must be sure to have several yottabytes of storage space available.
http://www.httrack.com/page/2/en/index.html
Docs: http://www.httrack.com/html/fcguide.html
I have also saved single pages (not entire threads) as text from a browser (different browsers produce different detailed text, try several; I think Opera was better than Firefox); this loses graphics information, of course. Or use a word processor (I use Libreoffice Writer, functionally similar to Microsoft Word); either save a page temporarily as a complete HTML page which you edit, or open it by opening the URL in the word processor. This requires a lot of cleanup, and can be problematical (pages can be exceedingly slow, or crash the software). (If importing into Writer, you need to delete all sections, delete comments, and edit links, breaking them all, so graphics are stored directly in the document, not as Internet links.)
For something like a mostly text forum, you can simply copy and paste each posting into your software (word processor document, spreadsheet), skipping some postings (“thanks”), and possibly inserting links to necessary graphics instead of including them in the document.
I haven’t use import.io, but have tried all the other methods, always successfully but usually requiring unrealistic amounts of effort.
HTH
I will consider one of these options but this is the reason that I posted to the administrator hoping that they might be able to provide a csv or excel file.
Gary, it seems to me the major problem with this thread is that, now, the posts are intermingled without regard to the 4 major subjects covered:
- General information about the workings of Zeo - theory, methodology, etc.
- Retrieving Data from Beside Models
- Retrieving Data from Mobile Models
- Sensor replacement, rehab, or substitution.
Separating these posts seems, on the surface, to be a daunting task. Maybe, as a start, someone can offer a easy method of separation into these 4 major categories. Perhaps a keyword could be added to each post and then a sort by keyword?
I will say that Woody’s Viewer pretty much takes care of all one needs for subject 2, retrieving data from Bedside Models, at least for me.
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https://www.keepyoursleep.com/
It seems that ResMed has purchased the intellectual property from Zeo.
PLEASE, PLEASE I hope I am incorrect.
Does it say somewhere they have? What they are selling on that page is just a motion sensor, like the fitbit or something, but with a display a bit like a zeo, but hardly the same technology.
I was at a meeting 2 nights ago and saw ResMed’s new CPAP machine. I made a comment that it looked like the bedside version of a Zeo (black unit with a pretty blue display which faces the user), just a bit bigger. Someone, not a ResMed representative, mentioned that they just heard from a ResMed employee that ResMed purchased what was left of Zeo.
I asked the Reps who were there and none of them appeared to know what I was talking about. I then heard that the Division of Resmed that supposedly purchased Zeo’s remains is a “consumer” division leading me to believe that this was a different division than the CPAP division.
So this is all hearsay at the moment. What they show on the website, looks like a Dyson product and smells like a bad infomercial. You can make 3 easy payments…
When I clicked on the commercial, it didn’t run but that is possibly because the product isn’t supposed to launch until next week.
When I searched for Resmed and Zeo, I found nothing. I finally found out the unit was called an S+, so I searched for “ResMed AND S+” and that’s when I was able to find the links above.
I did not find the word ZEO anywhere.
I wonder if we should start a new topic for this, so if it isn’t true we can delete the entire topic since this is a Zeo topic.
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A Zeo employee told me a while back that it was ResMed which bought Zeo’s assets, including the database which I was hoping to get access to. I emailed the guy in charge at ResMed, Colin Lawlor, but never heard back. This is the first I’ve heard of them making any use of the Zeo IP, though. About time.
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That is the name of the person I was given.
He apparently lives in Ireland but was here in California for the past few days.
Here’s the infomercial. It looks like it radiates the user.
This is incredibly disappointing.
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I looked at all of this information and it looks like simply another motion detecting device. I have an activity tracker by a company named Withings and it produces a “sleep analysis” that looks very similar based only on the amount that you move during the night.
This is definitely not using the EEG information that Zeo provides.
I use a CPAP and would like to see the CPAP companies add spO2 (oxygen levels), pulse and EEG to their machines. Philips respironics has added a bluetooth module that sends sleep data to my phone and then to a computer website that allows me to track my sleep apnea. I would be nice if I could get these other parameters as well. I wish whoever owns the technology would bring it back though.
Hi everyone,
I am a newcomer to this forum. I note that a few posts ago, a member very helpfully listed the major issues discussed in this thread as follows:
- General information about the workings of Zeo - theory, methodology, etc.
- Retrieving Data from Beside Models
- Retrieving Data from Mobile Models
- Sensor replacement, rehab, or substitution.
I am faced with yet another issue. I just bought an allegedly brand new Zeo Mobile device, and it is faulty in that the battery does not (fully) charge (i.e. the green light never stops flashing). When the transmitter is in the dock and charging, I can get just enough flashing blue light time by pressing the button for it to been seen and paired with the mobile phone (and even that took me about 100 attempts), but after that there is no connection.
Am I doing something wrong? If not, can the transmitter be opened and the battery replaced? If I can’t fix this problem I will have to buy another unit. I assume that most units that are for sale will have transmitters that have been lying around unused for a long time, and that may be a cause of the battery going dead and not taking charge.